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velocette 1

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Open fly wheel.
« on: March 18, 2017, 08:55:08 pm »
After assuring my long suffering wife that I would not be spending on the new bike I am weakening and wondering how to go about having an open flywheel.I have been Googling like mad but can`t find a proprietary casing to achieve this.Would it be possible to bandsaw the existing cover to allow machining on an universal miller like a Bridgeport with a boring head to finish off?Also while I am on would any Forum member know where I can buy a Falcone transfer/decal to adorn my toolbox.Many thanks.

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Re: Open fly wheel.
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2017, 09:49:18 am »
I have run my NF without the cover for about 7 years, no problems at all. It creates much interest.

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Re: Open fly wheel.
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2017, 01:54:59 pm »
Thank you, Dave.Do you mean no cover at all?

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« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2017, 02:38:54 pm »
Correct absolutely nothing, had no problems at all. Just took it off, cleaned the old paint off and use metal polish occasionally
« Last Edit: March 21, 2017, 09:17:52 am by Dave »

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Re: Open fly wheel.
« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2017, 04:25:48 pm »
Hi Velocette 1,

I use the SMS one at my Civile

http://www.guzzitreff.de/cms/index.php?Modifikationen/Schwungscheibe-ans-Licht-geholt

You can order  it directly at http://smotos.de/kontakt.html or at Stein and Dinse

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Re: Open fly wheel.
« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2017, 12:42:36 pm »
I use the same; it's far nicer than cutting down the original, covers the dynamo pulley and looks like it was made for the bike.
Cutting down the stock cover, apart from being sacrilege, as of course they're no longer available, results in a cover that overhangs the flywheel.
The replacement cover fits behind the flywheel for a much tidier look.

The centre of the flywheel, where the retaining bolt and lockring are, is covered my a magnetic cover that a friend made for me.
« Last Edit: March 20, 2017, 12:45:35 pm by banquo »

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Re: Open fly wheel.
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2017, 07:46:51 am »
As previously mentioned, I've been considering modifying the standard  flywheel cover in order to achieve a degree of protection without fully covering what I think is one of the main characteristics of the engine, namely the bacon slicer.  banquo pointed me (us) in the direction of a supplier of a ready made  cutaway cover, but I've yet to actually find it on the list, being unable to sprechen Deutsch!  Must try harder!

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« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2017, 09:47:39 am »
I was lucky enough to buy mine 2nd hand from a forum member. I've not found any need for additional protection; my boot's a long way from the flywheel when planted on the footrest.
I have seen people fitting a small guard inboard of the footrest, something like this one fitted by Leafman:

And a wire one off Guzzitref:

That totally exposed flywheel is more hazardous than one with the special cover though; the special cover guards most of the perimeter, which would be much more likely to cause entanglement than the exposed face.

The Schubert covers are here I think:
PZ 10 00 02 01 Deckel Schwungscheibe , NF., gebr. poliert 136,85 (polished cover)
PZ 10 00 02 01 Deckel Schwungscheibe , NF., gebr. 116,62 (as cast)
PZ 10 00 02 01 Deckel Schwungscheibe , NF., Neu 153,51 (this may be an original stock cover, as it says 'new')


Page 8 on this list:

Best to check that's correct - it does say flywheel cover, and I assume it's not a stock cover, but caveat emptor....  ;)

Note: not the correct parts; see next two posts!

There are at least 2 designs of replacement open covers available; mine is the one with Moto-Guzzi cast into the top (and IMHO looks far better than the other design), and I believe it's the SMS one, as confirmed by the following:

This is Bing's attempt at translating the Guzzitref article:

Brought flywheel to light
The consideration of how I (if you come to the required finish allows this) could show some more of the world this very decorative flywheel, already existed at the beginning of my Falcone time.

As I later thought to provide an original cover with slots a dealer it brought to my attention, that it is an outrage, first to destroy good original parts (he's right) and he was second just to make a small series of open motor cover. He described then removed the difficulties to establish a measure containing part of the cast, from the original cover workpiece to a certain amount will be smaller. Since technology experience required!

There are now 2 versions on offer, a normal

The prices are about 100 for normal or €124 for the polished lid. (As of August 2013)

So have I ordered the polished engine cover, get the next day and unpacked, found to be beautiful (and immediately paid). Threading the new behind the flywheel to remove the original engine cover, gently stopped, and then the Allen screws are replaced by shorter (M6 * 16 mm), (note the outer diameter) covered with thin slices of waves, and gently clockwise and gradually tightened. Then the flywheel made first makeshift city fine, so that no paint and rust are to see more. On the new component itself, no rework was required, the motor cover fits well and is voltage-free!

After the first drive experience is to determine that the flywheel must be definitely reasonable, smoothed, polished and ideally coated in order to prevent abrasion from clothing and footwear.

Also is an easy-to-dial protector (see photo) highly recommended to make trouble with the architect out of the way. Ingolf Schubert, offered as I know it from him, spontaneously his support. From September, he offered a footrest with guard for the open rotor.

At all, seems to make here a little advertising for a good service, its parts, see link: http://smotos.de/Ersatzteillager/page-0001.htm (click to continue), inexhaustible.

This is a total perhaps not one of the "most reasonable" modifications, but really chic and what for the motorcyclists heart!
« Last Edit: March 21, 2017, 07:46:27 pm by banquo »

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Re: Open fly wheel.
« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2017, 06:07:39 pm »
Hello I just order 2 open casings at sms gross aspect 100 euros piece, but to know that the original new casings are still available at motofornitura valassi in mandello
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Re: Open fly wheel.
« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2017, 06:19:45 pm »
Hi Banquo and friends,
this numbers you wrote are for the original covers!

Here the correct ones


Matt                     Motordeckel NF. li.,offene Schwungscheibe, Coperc. Mot.SX apert.Volano.                   100.-€
Poliert,Lucidato.     Motordeckel NF. li.,offene Schwungscheibe,poliert Coperc. Mot.SX apert.Volano.          124.- €


And here a chromed cover for the nut ring I use :

500er.                   Chromkappe,CoppaChromato(DadoVolano) Schwungscheiben-MutterNF.                   19,97 €
 
 
 
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Re: Open fly wheel.
« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2017, 07:42:44 pm »
Thank you Kater; you are the font of all knowledge, as is monohorizontal racer!
I'm amazed that original covers are still available after all this time!
Also, €100 is a better price!

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Re: Open fly wheel.
« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2017, 12:12:38 pm »
Yes, thanks from me also, Kater.  It's not the first time you've been of assistance. Much appreciated

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« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2017, 05:50:10 pm »
I have also had the same problem as Mr Goat in not being able to understand where I can buy  a fly wheel cover to allow sight of the bacon slicer.I can cope with Welsh or English after that I don't understand the lingo.I would be very grateful for any advice.

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« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2017, 08:30:09 am »
You need http://www.bing.com/translator

The catalogue is available only in German with snippets of Italian, but a rough translation of what Kater posted above is:

"Matt Engine Cover NF. p, open fly wheel 100. €
Polished, Engine cover NF. Li, open fly wheel, polished.  €124.-


And here a chromed cover nut for the ring I use:

500. Chrome Cover for flywheel (centre nut) €19.97"


I 'm not sure if SMS speak English if you call, but their e-mail address is sms@smotos.de anf if you tell them what you're looking for they should be able to help out.

On the negative side, I think it's SMS who only do foreign transactions via Bank Transfer, and that's expensive. Maybe there's some way of doing it with credit card etc...?
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Re: Open fly wheel.
« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2017, 09:12:51 pm »
Thank you I will give this a try and come back to the group just in case anyone else is interested.